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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:37 pm 
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Much of the rest of the world also looks basically screwed. Brazil is set to overtake the US as the country with the most COVID cases in a couple of months, Bolsonaro was apparently court ordered to wear freaking mask already, not that he'll pay attention. India's lockdown measures ironically spread the disease all over the country by rendering internal migrant workers unemployed and forcing them to walk back to their villages. The Philippines had to relax its lockdown on pain of mass hunger, so its pandemic is rebounding, meanwhile Duterte has been seizing the opportunity to pass more draconian national security laws and eliminate critical media outlets. In Russia, Putin's insisting on holding his stupid military parade because flexing is more important than pandemic control. Iran's deep into its second wave.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:50 pm 
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Apparently the US strategy, by default, is herd immunity. It's not like we're going to do anything else to keep us all from catching it on the national level, at least not until next January. Unfortunately, it looks like Sars-Cov-2 behaves like the other coronavirii on this one; minimal antibody response unless you have a very bad case, and the antibodies basically go away over the next few months. You probably can get Covid-19 several times in the same year if you care to (and survive the earlier infections, of course). If the studies tending that way are right, then herd immunity is not a thing we can ever acquire.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:20 am 
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They're still investigating whether T-cell response makes up for fading antibodies. But the science does look rather worrying.

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 Post Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:26 pm 
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What I've been seeing on that is not quite. Antibodies would prevent an infection, T-cell response will only make it less damaging once you get it. Which is great so long as the initial virus load isn't too high, but spending time in Florida without a mask remains a really dumb thing to do.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:38 am 
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We've had a bit of an outbreak in one of our States over the past month. It seems to have spread to another one of our States. All other States and Territories are trying to maintain closed borders.

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 Post Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:31 pm 
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It looks like some 80% of the people with Covid infections wind up with inflamed hearts; and apparently it doesn't matter how severe the symptoms were. I wonder how long that's going to take to heal.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:43 am 
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According to the CDC, 299 thousand Americans have died because of Trump's Plague. But with that said, there's a lag between people dying and the CDC formally being notified of it; so we've actually broken 300,000. Yay us. Good thing we took this seriously from the get go and did what we had to do to get things under control.

Mind you, as of yesterday 37 states were formally considered to have uncontrolled spread; and 39 had R0's above 1. So who's controlling whom is an open question.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:01 am 
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Yeah I saw that headline - 299,000 excess deaths That's roughly 200,000 direct Covid deaths and another 100,000 people who died of other stuff because of Covid, from the people who had heart attacks but couldn't/were too afraid to go to the hospital, to the people who killed themselves because the pandemic ruined their mental health.

We have our case numbers pretty well under control here but we're baffled as to why the restaurants, bars, churches, massage parlours and gyms are all open but the beaches are still closed (???). Oh, and the cops are still using Covid as an excuse to ban protests. And people are worried the government's going to mandate a one-time PCR nasal swab for everybody an excuse to collect our DNA for the panopticon state.

Wheeeeeee.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:07 pm 
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Since the official toll of virus deaths are already past 225,000 (that's before we add back in the red state fatalities that have been falsely laid at some other door), it's probably more like 240,000/110,000; with the rest being the people who didn't die of auto related or pollution related causes because of the lockdown and terrible economy for the folk in the chap seats.

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 Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:52 am 
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Since about the end of summer we slowly inch towards a new lockdown, but this time with the government seeming less in control then in spring.

It started with the "Corona-trafic-light" that consists of 4 colours (green-yellow-orange-red)*, where green is in practice not used, that is evaluated per district and where there were measures dependent on the state of the traffic light. But a few days after it's introduction measures have been introducted independent of the traffic light and soon there was no more connection between the two. We still have the traffic light, but i have no idea what purpose has been left.

About every 2 weeks we get some new measures, though sometimes it seems like it is for it's own sake. Is really reducing the number of people, who are alowed to gather indoors from 10 to 6 people having an effect?

There also are allegations, that there are attempts to skew the testing strategy to favour winter tourism.

* Never seen such a traffic light before

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:42 pm 
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And starting tuesday we have a lockdown again. This time there also is a curfew from 20:00 to 6:00.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:01 pm 
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It seems to be the trendy thing to do these days.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:50 pm 
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It occurs to me that if the blue counties line up to take the various vaccines coming down the road, and the red counties line up to shun them; then we may well see the Republicans culling themselves by the end of next year.

Though it's always possible for Biden to do an end run around their evil stupidity by simply granting permission for insurance companies (and Federal agencies) to refuse to pay any Covid infection related expenses starting, say, September 1 for anyone who can't prove they got vaccinated. That should make for some interesting whining on Parler.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:59 pm 
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It occurs to me that if the blue counties line up to take the various vaccines coming down the road, and the red counties line up to shun them; then we may well see the Republicans culling themselves by the end of next year.


How much of the stupidity do you think goes away without Trump personally leading it?

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:16 am 
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10%, max?

This stupidity isn't caused by Trump. Trump is the stupidity pimple at the tip of the stupidity-infected grease well. Without Trump there'd still be all manner of anti-vaxxers, science-deniers and conspiracy mongers shilling what America's angriest people want to hear. When someone like Tucker Carlson starts talking sense, these people change the channel and seek out more comforting sources of propaganda. They don't want facts, they want their pre-existing beliefs confirmed, and their pre-existing beliefs are that people like them are being marginalized by a country they don't like to see changing and that all experts, scientists, doctors, and professionals are arrogant snobs that should not be trusted.

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