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 Post subject: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:41 pm 
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This comes from The True Patriot: A Pamphlet, published recently by a pair of progressives wishing to reclaim the title of 'patriot' from the bellicose right.

The Patriot's Moral Code wrote:
We are patriots. We believe in the greatness of America's national ideals. We believe America has an indispensable purpose in the world: to demonstrate, by example, the power of freedom and equal opportunity.

True patriots know that America was founded in freedom -- freedom to speak, to worship, to choose whatever path to happiness suits us best -- but that with freedom comes an equal responsibility to country, community, and family.

True patriots believe that what enables a free society to remain strong is a set of traditional virtues and values: pragmatism tied to principle, honesty and integrity, hard work and personal initiative, responsibility and self-discipline, fairness and compassion, competitive striving and fair play, a desire to serve the nation and a kinship with the world.

True patriots believe that freedom from responsibility is selfishness, freedom from sacrifice is cowardice, freedom from tolerance is prejudice, freedom from stewardship is exploitation, and freedom from compassion is cruelty.

True patriots know that we should measure our nation's progress by whether every citizen has a fair shot to advance on the basis of talent and merit, and by the degree to which we promote the common success of all our citizens. Freedom without an equal chance to enjoy it is no freedom at all.

True patriots believe it is immoral when inequality of opportunity leads to and perpetuates inequality itself. On a truly level playing field, some will do much better than others because we are not all equally talented or motivated. But when the tilt of the field keeps even the talented from ever winning, that is unfair and un-American.

True patriots believe that we should measure a citizens' worth by contribution to country and community, not by wealth or power -- that those whom America has benefited most should contribute in proportion to their good fortune -- and that serving others should be esteemed more highly than serving self.

These were the ideals of the founders of our country and the defenders of our union. They have made America unique and necessary from the beginning. And now it is time for them to inspire a new generation of Americans.


This tiny red pamphlet is 100+ pages long. I read the introduction, I read the excerpt from the Declaration, and I recited along with them the Gettysburg address. Then I read the two pages quoted above. Then I read them again. And again.

For the last decade I have had that creed roiling in my head, mostly stated, but never in one place.

I am a progressive, and this I believe.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:24 am 
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That is an excellent statement of position - please try to disseminate that paper to as many people as you can, Kea, in as many countries as possible. A strong, clear statement of position by a modern progressive is badly needed, especially since they are alive and can defend their own words and help keep them from being perverted like many historical figures have had done.

I love the sentiment - a restatement of the meaning of freedom, a context from which a free and compassionate society can be built.

Pity you can't get most people to read much over a sound-bite's-worth of information these days.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:57 am 
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You can't possibly be mixing me up with Surgoshan, can you?

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:54 am 
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Weren't you supposed to be gone for a bit? Maybe Surgoshan was appointed acting Kea in your absence.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:28 am 
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Marcellus: A true patriot would know that freedom from mods is no freedom at all.

But seriously - I have no idea why I remembered this as being posted by Kea. I blame Surg, for impersonating her. I mean, that haircut does look nice on you...

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:23 am 
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With the barest modicum of change to the text, you could stick the name of just about any American political party on top and this would sound much like the start of their manifesto. Take out the American exceptionalism (or just change it by altering the name of the country) and you've got the opening paragraphs of just about every political manifesto in the world.

Excepting the implied support for progressive taxation, there isn't actually anything of substance in this, and it tells us nothing about the writer's position. Maybe the rest of the pamphlet is filled with worthwhile information, and I don't mean to piss on your parade, but I just don't see anything to get excited about in mundane pleasantries that fit just as well regardless of your political bent.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:46 pm 
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Let me just apologize. I almost trolled there. I caught myself and didn't. Sorry for almost trolling, guys.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:04 pm 
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Mr. President wrote:
Let me just apologize. I almost trolled there. I caught myself and didn't. Sorry for almost trolling, guys.


Forgiven. Unless you were going to disagree with me, of course.

Looking in at the American experience from the outside, I sort of like this passage. It's not too vitriolic, says what it needs to say and gets out of the way.

Earthshaking, no, but a nice summary. The big trick is that you have to believe the words and go out and live them. Be the best citizen you can be. And be an educated voter. IMHO, you have much less right to bitch about everything if you don't :bert:

And if you're not an educated voter, shame on you. Your country is worth more than that.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:09 am 
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Kea wrote:
You can't possibly be mixing me up with Surgoshan, can you?


Perhaps they confused Patriot with Parrot? It's an easy mistake to make!

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:49 am 
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kirby1024 wrote:
Kea wrote:
You can't possibly be mixing me up with Surgoshan, can you?


Perhaps they confused Patriot with Parrot? It's an easy mistake to make!


+1 for kirby! Clever, clever, clever.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:15 pm 
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caffeine wrote:
With the barest modicum of change to the text, you could stick the name of just about any American political party on top and this would sound much like the start of their manifesto. Take out the American exceptionalism (or just change it by altering the name of the country) and you've got the opening paragraphs of just about every political manifesto in the world.

Excepting the implied support for progressive taxation, there isn't actually anything of substance in this, and it tells us nothing about the writer's position. Maybe the rest of the pamphlet is filled with worthwhile information, and I don't mean to piss on your parade, but I just don't see anything to get excited about in mundane pleasantries that fit just as well regardless of your political bent.

As often, my drug of third-choice (after alcohol and hip-hop) has the sober perspective.

The question we should be asking is: why is the United States so chronically conservative, or at least votes in such a chronically conservative way, compared to other nations and compared to opinion polls that have shown most Americans favor several progressive Democratic positions when those issues are stripped of the inflammatory terminology applied by the established political parties?

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:59 am 
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Crazed123 wrote:
As often, my drug of third-choice (after alcohol and hip-hop) has the sober perspective.

The question we should be asking is: why is the United States so chronically conservative, or at least votes in such a chronically conservative way, compared to other nations and compared to opinion polls that have shown most Americans favor several progressive Democratic positions when those issues are stripped of the inflammatory terminology applied by the established political parties?


I think it's more about cultural identification than anything to do with support for particular policies. This has been the big success of Republican electioneers in the last few decades - to get blue collar voters in large portions of America to identify the Republican party as part of good old American values, while the Democrats are the party of elitist coastal liberals. So we see West Virginia, the sort of place you'd expect to be a hotbed of socialism in many countries, voting for a Republican president three elections in a row.

Now I've written that, I suppose I can see the point of what the OP is trying to do, but I don't know whether this will be taken seriously by anyone not already on the 'progressive*' bandwagon.

*I hate that term, but I'm stumped what else to use. I'm steering clear of 'liberal' because I refuse to encourage the creeping spread of the American definition over the rest of the world, and 'left' seems like far too loaded a word to throw into political discussion in the US.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:14 am 
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OK, so how do we push our political ideals without triggering a culture war?

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:37 pm 
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Kill Karl Rove.

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 Post subject: Re: The True Patriot
 Post Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:35 am 
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Surgoshan wrote:
Kill Karl Rove.

Now you're speaking my language!

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