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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:41 am 
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Because getting Covid isn't enough of a negative incentive. I wonder how big the Venn diagram overlap is between people who swear up and down that vaccines will make them infertile/put 5G chips in their bloodstreams and those who will get jabbed anyway to avoid a $100 fine.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:53 am 
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I was thinking something closer to 'lose your job/certification and be unemployable' than 'pay a hundred bucks'. Though a legal mandate of a paid day off to get the shot would keep it fair; because there are a lot of working poor who have been scared stupid by their economic situation, and don't get vaccinated simply because they can't force themselves to give up pay voluntarily (the last estimate was about a quarter of the American unvaccinated are in this group).

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:56 am 
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A vast country without proper electronic medical records and where vaccine certificates are just pieces of photocopied cardstock? You'll get an even more roaring trade in fake vaccine certificates.

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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:45 am 
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I've no idea what the actual percentages are, but from my bubble i would say hardline conspiracy nuts are outnumbered by people, whos position is more "where there is smoke there might be fire, so i wait at the sidelines, while other people get vaccinated and see how it goes", or who simply find one reason to not get vaccinated right now after an other, which indicates some unspoken reason, like maybe they don't like needles or something.

A negative incentive or some deadline could work for them.

Oh and an other potential solution for working poor: Employers could organize vaccination appointments for their employees. That way it does not have to be a whole day off, the employers can make sure that they have enough employees working at any given time and for large employers that could even do the vaccination on their premises, which avoids time for commutes. Maybe you also need to give employers some additional incentives to take part.

Austria has used a similiar system, though the reasoning was more to ensure that people in higher risk professions are vaccinated first, as you already are allowed to make doctors visits during your worktime by law, after all we are like a first world country.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:05 pm 
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As some might have heard, the Creatures of the Right are promoting a verterinary anti-parasite drug called Ivermectin against Covid infections; a drug with a reputed tendency to suppress male fertility. Now the folks who make the drug are quick to point out that it only has a slight negative effect on apparent male fertility in studies done on rats; so it must be fine, right?

Well and good; but there was one (small) study done on Humans in Nigeria, where it was being taken by people to deal with river blindness. It wasn't pretty. If it's anything like correct, then humans are vastly harder hit than rats (which would not be very surprising); and at least temporary sterility is the predicted outcome of a man taking this stuff.

I suspect the Creature media isn't playing up that study, somehow.

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 Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:31 am 
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Ironic, given that the anti-vax crowd has been spreading paranoia about vaccines causing infertility. So I imagine there is much ostentatious wigging out to be seen about the new federal OSHA vaccine/testing mandate. But the stats show that vaccine hesitancy is on its way down, so it is a loud and shrinking minority. Does not necessarily stop them from being a destructive political force, unfortunately.

Meanwhile, on my side of the planet, the government is clearly using pandemic control rules as a tool for political repression. Pop concert, OK. Wedding, OK. Cinema, OK. Five hold an outdoor protest, immediate social distancing penalty ticket. Cops will even order unrelated strangers to stand together and then fine them for violating social distancing. So either you take the ticket, or you get arrested for obstructing an officer. (They're not even protesters, necessarily. Just anyone who happens to be walking down the street in the vicinity of some undesirable political expression.)

The inbound travel quarantine requirement has been extended to a scientifically silly 21 days. If you travel into Hong Kong, you have to quarantine at a designated hotel for 3 weeks (or 2 weeks if you are vaccinated). Talk of opening a travel bubble with Singapore keeps comically being delayed. They appear to be deliberately discouraging international travel in the hopes of staying zero Covid long enough for Beijing to reopen the border to tourists from the Mainland. They're the mainstay consumers of the Shampoo, Cosmetics and Gold Jewellery Racket that the landlords depend on, plus the government gets to do the whole Bow Down and Be Grateful to the Motherland For Rescuing Our Economy With Their Milk Powder Purchases song and dance thing. It hasn't worked though.

So we have very little Covid. So people haven't felt the urgency to get vaccinated. I think our vaccination rate is still hovering around 50%. Some people were holding out as a silent middle finger to the government (they're NEVER going to lift social gathering restrictions, so what's the point?). But the vaccination rates are actually the lowest among the elderly - the most "patriotic" demographic. They have absorbed quite a lot of media-driven paranoia about the side effects, and also been given some truly appalling medical advice by lawsuit-averse doctors and nursing home staff. Since there's so little Covid around, healthcare professionals perceive the risk of getting sued in the event of an adverse reaction to the vaccine as greater than their patients catching Covid. So the popular wisdom here is that you should NOT get vaccinated if you have any kind of pre-existing condition like high blood pressure, diabetes, heart problems, etc. Which is like most old people.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:28 pm 
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Sounds like that's going to be fun if, or more likely when, the next outbreak takes hold.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:46 am 
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They've so far kept Delta out with really strict testing, contact tracing and quarantine. If you get Covid you are sent to the hospital and placed in a negative pressure room immediately, even if you are asymptomatic. Everyone who lives in your apartment is subject to a mandatory test. Everyone you were in close contact with during your incubation period (that they can trace) is sent to quarantine camp for two weeks. You are required to leave your name and phone number at every public facility and restaurant you visit. If they think there might be a cluster in your apartment building, they "ambush lockdown" your whole building overnight and nobody goes in or out until everyone is tested. If you are visiting someone, shopping, or working in a building when it is suddenly cordoned off, tough luck, you're not going home tonight. The ambush lockdowns are hygiene theatre, they usually identify zero cases - you're very unlikely to catch it from an elevator button.

It works. They've squashed three outbreaks already that way. But if a Delta superspreading event takes place and overwhelms the isolation capacity, it's gonna get pretty dicey. Although frankly, it will be nothing on par with Florida. Good grief, Florida.

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