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 Post subject: Re: Trump.
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:41 am 
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Yes, and I am hoping that 'harder' works out to 'impossible'.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump.
 Post Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:24 pm 
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Apartheid had the advantage of starting out with the majority already disenfranchised. It's harder when they're not.


Uh. Jim Crow. If you think about it, America has only had universal suffrage for about 50-odd years. The Republicans are trying to revert to the historical norm.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump.
 Post Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:42 am 
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Jim Crow is disenfranchising a minority, apartheid a majority. It was much easier for the southern white folks to get away with disenfranchising a local and powerless minority than it would be for the GOP to do it to a more powerful and wealthier national majority. At least without a great deal of overt violence and the (currently absolutely refused) consent of the armed forces.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump.
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You're missing the fact that the Republicans don't need to disenfranchise all Democrats. They just need to disproportionately disenfranchise poor, Black and Brown people They're still winning a majority of white people, and if they can restrict the political game to what white people want, they'll manage to hang on to power for a while longer.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump.
 Post Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:33 pm 
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Functionally (if not literally) that means disenfanchising all of the Democrats, and by and large they get that. Especially as the ongoing and all but endless corruption and dishonesty of the Republicans keeps radicalizing more and more Democrats into blanket and active opposition to the GOP and all its works; they're hardly going to miss that their vote won't matter in New York or California if blacks in Georgia or college students in the plains states can't vote too.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump.
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:50 am 
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Unless the Democrats get their act together at the federal level (still waiting here), said Democrats in New York and California can do very little about the blatant poll obstruction and gerrymandering going on in the great flat middle. So the question is, will they act before the Republicans grant themselves the right to throw out any election results they don't like? Because once they do, they're going to be that much harder to dislodge. You'll either be looking at illiberal democracy Bolsonaro style, or a complete collapse of governmental legitimacy followed by a major period of instability.

Complicating this is that any move by the Democrats to change the status quo in a big way could in and of itself trigger major instability - and the Republican nutters are the ones with all the guns.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump.
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:56 pm 
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To that last, no: first, a lot of Democrats have guns (just not disposable surpluses of them). But that's kind of besides the point: the military has the significant combat power, not the CSA LARPers.

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 Post Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:38 am 
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A casual survey of world conflicts suggests that one does not need a massive amount of military firepower to wreak considerable havoc. In asymmetrical warfare, rarely is the goal to defeat the government in outright military combat, but to cause enough pain to force political capitulation. Anyway, the risk of illiberal democracy is the greater one, with the stripping of civil liberties, the hollowing out of institutions, and the entrenchment of oligarchic demagoguery. Under this scenario, America will continue to have elections, but they won't mean much of anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump.
 Post Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 11:02 pm 
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I'm idly amused that there are Republicans debating if the party can grow without Trump, and they're almost admitting that the real question is can they stop him from killing the party dead if they try...

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