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swmartian
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:52 pm |
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Spirantz wrote: I could easily see Basphomy being written out this way. She had plenty of story arc in the past. We don’t need to see her wage war on Halloween again. She can be sacrificed now to move along the plot!
It still says nothing of the head tilters though! You misinterpreted what I said. The two possibilities I was responding to was that either Gwynn will die soon, which seems unlikely until we get Riff back, or that Basphomy is not really dead. It was Basphomy not really being dead that I thought would be a cheap way out, not her actually being dead. Gwynn will have to deal with Dunuloa somehow, though. Count on it.
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Spirantz
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:10 am |
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Nah, I’m just OK with her being gone.  She had her story arcs, came back and got Gwynn up to speed and connected to the moon for whatever comes next…. It was neat but I’m good to see her off now!
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:10 am |
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Basphomy should have taken the opening Gwen gave her to ask what Gwen wanted. Attacking someone who has a gun to your head isn't smart.
But Gwen now has Gods as enemies, and that sounds suicidal too.
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CheeseWhisper
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:40 am |
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JoshS wrote: Basphomy should have taken the opening Gwen gave her to ask what Gwen wanted. Attacking someone who has a gun to your head isn't smart.
But Gwen now has Gods as enemies, and that sounds suicidal too. How likely is this to push her into aligning with Symachus (assuming the opportunity were to arise)? On the surface, he seems to have a lot in common with her; he has a vendetta against the Mokhadun gods, he (presumably) wants to get rid of PP, and he has effectively lost his human form.
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Lord Golbez
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:53 pm |
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If Gwynn joined Symachus, they would be well and truly effed. As is, they're underpowered to face him without Chaz. She's the only one with magical ability strong enough to remotely challenge him and I doubt it would be strong enough if it came to a head to head match, but they lose a lot of their versatility for avoiding such confrontations without Gwynn's magic and somehow I doubt Bun-Bun can just switchblade the problem away, though I'll give him an A for effort if he actually makes any effort.
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CheeseWhisper
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:59 pm |
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Lord Golbez wrote: If Gwynn joined Symachus, they would be well and truly effed. As is, they're underpowered to face him without Chaz. She's the only one with magical ability strong enough to remotely challenge him and I doubt it would be strong enough if it came to a head to head match, but they lose a lot of their versatility for avoiding such confrontations without Gwynn's magic and somehow I doubt Bun-Bun can just switchblade the problem away, though I'll give him an A for effort if he actually makes any effort. I'm still wondering where Bun Bun actually is. I think we still haven't seen him since at least the Oceanus arc (because I really don't think he was the one who accompanied them).
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Spirantz
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:10 pm |
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CheeseWhisper wrote: I'm still wondering where Bun Bun actually is. I think we still haven't seen him since at least the Oceanus arc (because I really don't think he was the one who accompanied them). I refer you to his previous title, “God of naps”. Then again, he DID recover his diamonds, right? Could just as easily be alfalfa and baywatch.
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Lord Golbez
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:15 pm |
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CheeseWhisper wrote: Lord Golbez wrote: If Gwynn joined Symachus, they would be well and truly effed. As is, they're underpowered to face him without Chaz. She's the only one with magical ability strong enough to remotely challenge him and I doubt it would be strong enough if it came to a head to head match, but they lose a lot of their versatility for avoiding such confrontations without Gwynn's magic and somehow I doubt Bun-Bun can just switchblade the problem away, though I'll give him an A for effort if he actually makes any effort. I'm still wondering where Bun Bun actually is. I think we still haven't seen him since at least the Oceanus arc (because I really don't think he was the one who accompanied them). They explained his odd behavior in that arc already. I'm buying it. His being replaced by someone else and still having that explanation would be much stranger.
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CheeseWhisper
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:45 pm |
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So, I, uh... just went back through the archives and realized I missed that part.
Probably because of the Kiki song.
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swmartian
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Post Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:12 pm |
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swmartian wrote: VcSaJen wrote: So either Basphomy isn't dead, or Gwyn is going to die soon. I would normally agree with this assessment except Gwynn is our only hope for ever seeing Riff again. Basphomy not being dead wouldn't be terrible, but at this point it feels like it would be a cheap way out. Maybe Pete has a more clever way of dealing with that possibility than how I'm imagining it... He does. I hadn't counted on the whole thing being an actual dream... Touché. Who knew Gwynn could give herself fear dreams better than Bas could? --------- Well, damn. Pete certainly didn't take a simple cheap way out... Somehow, I don't think he's done quite yet, so I'm not ready to write Basphomy out... Stay good, indeed.
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:08 pm |
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Does anyone have an explanation for Gwynn's eyes?
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CheeseWhisper
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:38 pm |
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JoshS wrote: Does anyone have an explanation for Gwynn's eyes? That happens when you transition to the Sith.
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swmartian
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Post Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:59 pm |
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CheeseWhisper wrote: JoshS wrote: Does anyone have an explanation for Gwynn's eyes? That happens when you transition to the Sith. Yeah, the straight answer is that it happens when she truly becomes a monster. She thinks she's a monster, even before she (thinks she) fried Basphomy; now she feels as if she has truly become a monster. The question is whether Gwynn is still dreaming. I think she is. The gang has killed people or entities before (most notable was when Torg set up the burial of Hereti Corp - and its workers). Yet Zoë was particularly troubled by the use of the funnel. That sentiment coaxed me into trying to provoke some discussion on whether or not torture is OK in the Sluggyverse. Only a few really engaged in that discussion (not surprisingly). But I think we're getting Pete's answer, in a way. I think Zoë's comments were meant to set a line that should not be crossed. The question is whether Gwynn has really crossed it - at least to the point of killing Basphomy and becoming this monster, or whether she just went to the brink and is about to pull herself out of it... If I'm wrong and this strip is reality, then she will have to answer to Dunuloa sooner or later. I think it also makes rescuing Riff more complicated. I guess we'll see.
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:35 am |
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I was wondering if it has something to do with the frying process. They get turned into books, sure… but does Gwynn also absorb their memories (and who knows what else) directly, during this process? If so, I can ABSOLUTELY see why absorbing Basphomy’s would royally f*** her up and make it impossible for her to ever come back. She absorbed a true monster that’s been through quite a lot and had privy to a LOT of dark knowledge. And Gwynn sucked it all up, all at once.
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:07 am |
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Spirantz wrote: I was wondering if it has something to do with the frying process. They get turned into books, sure… but does Gwynn also absorb their memories (and who knows what else) directly, during this process? If so, I can ABSOLUTELY see why absorbing Basphomy’s would royally f*** her up and make it impossible for her to ever come back. She absorbed a true monster that’s been through quite a lot and had privy to a LOT of dark knowledge. And Gwynn sucked it all up, all at once. Given what the kooky metalizard told Cynthia Tomb, one has to be taught to read them... so I'm guessing the process doesn't impart knowledge directly. Cynthia didn't seem to indicate she'd just been given a dumptruck-load of horrifying knowledge either -- and given that was her first time, she probably would have said something about it.
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