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 Post subject: Re: 47%
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:01 am 
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If there's one thing Romney's good at, it's pandering to his audience. There's no reason to assume he was lying to one group or another, the man simply says what he thinks people want to hear in any situation.

I mean, he magically transformed into a moderate again during the debate with Obama.

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 Post subject: Re: 47%
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:45 am 
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Just so it's clear, it is the same thing Obama does. Pandering is what politicians do best.

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 Post subject: Re: 47%
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:02 pm 
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No, Jorodryn, it's not what Obama does.

Obama describes his policies accurately, but in ways that his target audience will appreciate. Romney, on the other hand, describes whatever policy his audience wants to hear.

There's a difference between tact and bullsh!++ing.

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 Post Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:02 pm 
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quantumcat42 wrote:
FreakyBoy wrote:
Let me try explaining this way: your "fair share" means that if four people go out to eat, the bill should be split four ways - 25% each. It doesn't matter than Jane just had a salad and Joe had the lobster, a steak, and the uber-expensive cheesecake dessert; both should pay 25% of the bill.
That's an argument against the lowest quintile paying 20% of all tax revenue. No one's arguing for that.
Only because you can't get blood from a stone: the American working poor and unemployed don't have enough money to pay for 20% of the government we need in the first place.

People have very seriously advocated flat taxes before, which are "fair" in the sense of "everyone pays the same share." But not "fair" in the sense of "everyone is affected the same way by the tax system."


Mitt Romney can pay 15% of his income in taxes and not be noticeably affected. He's rich enough that he doesn't even need to be mildly inconvenienced by having hundreds of thousands of dollars of his income go 'poof.' His lifestyle might be slightly less opulent, he might throw fewer parties and so on, but it's still rich beyond the dreams of what ordinary people can expect to accomplish by hard work and personal savings.

The qualitative experience of his life won't change. Buying a 10000$ watch won't make you twice as happy as a 5000$ watch. The only way that having more money could make him significantly happier is in terms of "hah, I am now richer than this other guy." But since the other guy benefits from the same tax breaks Romney does, that rising tide won't lift him any higher than it lifts the other millionaires.


Charge Joe the Construction Worker 15% of his income in taxes, and it makes a much bigger dent in his income. Those several thousand dollars of money he pays are all going to be spent on things pretty important to his quality of life, or his children: health care, housing, the choice of whether to ever take a vacation, education...

Docking Joe that kind of money has a much bigger effect on his quality of life, even though theoretically it's the same "fair share." And the consequences can mean that (unlike Mitt) taxes on Joe could cause him to die early, or not send his kids to college, or have to live in a crowded and chaotic apartment instead of a quieter, more settled place.

Mitt's in no danger here, by contrast.

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 Post subject: Re: 47%
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:33 am 
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I mean, he magically transformed into a moderate again during the debate with Obama.

Nothing magic about an Etch-A-Sketch. All it takes is a few good shakes.

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 Post subject: Re: 47%
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:42 am 
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In fairness, Romney has not described any policies in any detail at all. He's figured out, correctly, that it's impossible to both make sense and please the base, so he's gone for obfuscation via magical asterisks. Obama fudges his numbers on the optimistic side, but at least he has numbers.

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