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 Post Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:54 pm 
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Ahh, but to what level of care are we referring? Most of these documents refer to a basic standard of health such as innoculations and preventing the spread of disease. We're not talking bypass because someone had too many Big Macs. There is a line somewhere.
As far as education, I'm not sure where the answer lies, but when our tax dollars are being spent so that people can argue over wether creationism is just as valid a theory as evolution and should be given equal discussion in science class it tells me something is wrong. Also, the schools are now supposed to serve 2 of the 3essential meals of the day....sheesh, and after school programs....its just out of control.

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Feeding kids at school is a dubious program to complain about, especially with so many Americans starving these days. There are two million more unemployed now than there were when Dubya took office in 2001, the median income has dropped thousands of dollars for those who have jobs (while the cost of living has gone up a great deal; mostly on housing); and it's not like no one was going hungry in 2001, either.

By the by; were you aware that the school lunch program was created because we had to turn away millions of recruits/draftees in 1942, they being too scrawny to make it in the army? Stop feeding these kids, and we'll be guaranteed another generation just like that; and whether we need them in the army or not, it's not a situation a supposedly developed (or civilized) nation should tolerate.

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Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.


Doesn't sound like a limited definition of health care to me. Note that it also promises food. Further to feeding kids in school -

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Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

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Just curious, where did the quotes come from?

I don't have issues with school lunches or even medical care for those in need, it just seems like we are moving more and more dependency on the state, and that's not a good thing with the people we have running it. Lunches are fine, but now we're up to breakfast and after school care....I see dinner coming next. Being dependent on the government for the most basic things in life never makes the masses stronger.

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Don't you mean, "Choosing to rely on..."? After all, if they couldn't provide X without the government, and the government then chooses to, that's not going to make them weaker.

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Besides, depending on the government is the only reason most Americans ever get to high school, or have a shot at joining the (dwindling) middle class. Which class is pretty much a creation of government programs and policies, btw; like the GI bill, subsidies to promote home ownership, rural electrification and post, protection for workers rights, and such like.

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The quotes are from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Sorry, should've said.

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