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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
 Post Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:10 pm 
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If you meant to imply that someone else shot Wheeler, you just made yourself look even stupider. Seriously.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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I'm implying that we don't know who shot Wheeler.

Either way you are completely missing my point. With this you have this mass outrage from the left targeted at Palin and the tea party. Yet no connection seems to exist at all. But because there is a target on a map... oh that is so terrible. Both sides have used militant speech and/or symbolism during campaigns.

If the right had gotten all fired up and blamed someone on the left for Reagan's shooting would that have made sense? Obviously not, because we pretty much all can agree that Hinckley was a loon. The mental state of the shooter in Gifford's case is already and has been in question even prior to the shooting.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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This is beginning to remind me of the xkcd about the compromise position with 9/11 conspiracists.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
 Post Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:29 pm 
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Jorodryn wrote:
angrysunbird wrote:

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but seemed to be super hush hush over the Nidal Hasan Islam connection.
Um, what? I'm fairly sure heard about the connection on the day it happened.


Sure on the day it happened. But after that it was barely brought up. It turned into he was all crazy and there was no link to him being a Muslim. However, this is in reverse. People have come out and said this guy was unstable, but It's his tea party, Palin, or some other right wing connection that is being thrown around.

I've not heard anyone talk about how this guy is Tea Party. No one has said "this crazy due saw Palin's ill thought out graphic, and acted on it"

People are concerned and uncomfortable about the overblown and violent rhetoric of the Tea Party, however, and this incident has thrown that into light and brought it more attention. It has caused people to talk about it. What do you think people who disagree with the tea party philosophically feel when they hear Sharon Angle say "we'll need second amendment solutions"? Do as the right wings says or get shot? Do these people think America is some 1960s banana republic where if your side loses and election it is acceptable to topple the government to get their side back in?

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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what violent rhetoric?

Rhetoric like an opponent to Obama's health care law getting beaten down by union members? Oh wait, that was actual violence from the left.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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If the right had gotten all fired up and blamed someone on the left for Reagan's shooting would that have made sense?

Well, in fairness, they did blame Jodie Foster.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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If the right had gotten all fired up and blamed someone on the left for Reagan's shooting would that have made sense?

Well, in fairness, they did blame Jodie Foster.

I blame her all the time, but for reasonable things like Parent Trap and Contact.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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If the right had gotten all fired up and blamed someone on the left for Reagan's shooting would that have made sense?

Well, in fairness, they did blame Jodie Foster.

I blame her all the time, but for reasonable things like Parent Trap and Contact.

Parent Trap? What did she have to do with that?

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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I think he meant Freaky Friday.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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ah, ok... for a minute I thought I was stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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what violent rhetoric?

Rhetoric like an opponent to Obama's health care law getting beaten down by union members? Oh wait, that was actual violence from the left.
I'm not talking about the actions of the deranged on either side (nor am I pretending both sides don't have deranged loons). I'm talking about the use of violent rhetoric by actual political figures on the right.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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both sides use the same rhetoric.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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Jorodryn, when you started talking about Wheeler, I thought you were referring to John Roll, the judge slain at the shooting. I didn't expect you to be brining up a wholly unrelated case. It still makes you look pretty stupid, but not nearly as stupid as I thought.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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Jorodryn wrote:
both sides use the same rhetoric.

While I by no means support everything Keith Olbermann says, nor the way he says it, if you really think the stupid poop Keith says is in any way comparable to the stupid poop Glenn Beck says, you either don't pay attention to either man very well or you have no concept of degree.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting in Arizona
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Jorodryn wrote:
both sides use the same rhetoric.
Sure. Whatever.

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