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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:44 pm 
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I think not. When they start dying someone will tell them that they can sue Fox for lying to them and putting them in harms way. When that happens they'll suddenly have their come to Jesus moment on this virus.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:46 pm 
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Apocalyptic cult members have frequently found ways to cling on to their beliefs when their expected apocalypse fails to materialize. They've invested too much already to admit they were wrong, having quit their jobs and gotten rid of all their belongings.

We'll see some of that. Just depends on how many.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
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Except I've heard that Fox News has in fact stopped spewing alternative facts. Info wars might get sued, but they probably have decidedly less deep pockets...

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:55 pm 
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Alas, it doesn't matter that Fox stopped. They did it and it's on record. They're going to get sued.

That aside, it seems Trumps boys are flying in medical supplies from other countries on the taxpayer's dime, and then giving them to his buddies to sell for whatever the market will bear.

And the two hospital ships in New York and LA? Between them they have 2000 beds and 35 patients as of today. Apparently there are 48 things they won't treat besides the virus, and since they won't take anyone who hasn't been tested negative for the virus in a city hospital they can't be used by anyone who hasn't already been hospitalized for up to a week (the time it takes for results to come back). Pity the test has a disturbingly high false negative rate, but oh well.

The American south. Largely thanks to the policies of the GOP they've got the worst health care systems, lowest percentage of health insurance and highest rates of what's lightly called 'comorbidities' (obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, lung disease, heart disease, cancer, probably smoking) in the country. They're already seeing death rates among 30-59 year olds four times higher than in Wuhan (2%), and their hospitals aren't overwhelmed yet. I suspect they're going to come to envy New York City by May.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:23 am 
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That will be until there are statistics, that the death rate is higher among conservatives (who after all did take the measures less serious), then the will switch to "Soros has made Corona, to kill off Trump voters to swing the election".

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
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in times of disaster, people tend to rally around whatever leaders they have. Some percentage of people will feel that it is churlish to criticize the leader no matter how bad a job they are doing because the patriotic thing is to root for them to succeed. So they will support Trump on principle, and interpret any criticisms as the Democrats wanting more people to die for political gain.

Trump got a much smaller popularity bump than other state and municipal leaders, but amazingly, he still got one. Biden needs to not do anything too stupid and he should get a bigger bump by default.

As for the disaster profiteering, the Customs agency in the Philippines is holding up imports of PPE in order to collect bigger bribes or outright steal it and sell it on the black market. Duterte's ordered his death squads to straight up murder curfew breakers. And people are going hungry because the lockdowns and multiple checkpoints have choked off the food supply chain to the cities. And he's got soldiers guarding the entry points to poor neighbourhoods of Manila to stop the plebes from getting out and taking food from the affluent neighbourhoods.

It is possible to be worse than Trump.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:53 am 
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Only because he can do it at a remove while they have to do it in person. If he could get a piece of their action he wouldn't blink. But that said...

Apparently it's possible for Republican corruption and depraved indifference to the fate of the commoners to become a problem. The Republicans in Florida have set up an unemployment insurance application on line which doesn't, and isn't supposed to, work. Unfortunately now tens of thousands of white working class Republicans are getting canned every week, and the system is doing exactly what it's supposed to by making it impossible for them to get benefits (which are utterly trivial even if they do, btw). The governor set it up that way to keep the Republican promise to keep unemployment taxes on businesses down, which he did. Alas, now the lowlifes in the base are hitting that same system; and the Republicans are desperately flailing around trying to find a physical paperwork bypass on the fly. Needless to say it's not working real well, and the folks in the cheap seats getting screwed by this aren't amused.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
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Kea wrote:

It is possible to be worse than Trump.

Gun to my head, I'd take Trump over Xi Jinping. At least, we have some recourse where POTUS is concerned.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:33 am 
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Interesting thought. That said, it seems the Federal Government is now stealing PPE from foreign countries (like Germany) and blue states when it can intercept them in transit. Literally stealing: customs is seizing them on no pretext and that's that. Massachusetts literally had to create a back channel to China to replace masks stolen in transit through New York City and pay for them again. Do you suppose this is Trump's crime, or Jared's?

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:33 pm 
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An interesting poll. Apparently 40% of the folks who voted for Trump in 2016 are now convinced he didn't do what he was supposed to when the virus started spreading. Even white non-college voters are about half dissatisfied. Now 2/3 of those who think Trump's a problem blame his earlier unconcern over his current actions, but the epidemic is young. We'll see how that goes.

Oh, and it seems that in September of 2018 the Trump Administration was given the plans for a high speed machine to make millions of protective respirator masks in an emergency. They were the result of a scheme set up by the HHS under the Obama administration three years previously. Obviously this went nowhere in the administration that fired all of their epidemic experts; the machine was never built.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:00 am 
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Because he's really god awful too: Pence just let us know about the four million tests we have in stock. He neglected to mention that those are the useless ones Trump ordered which can't actually give a result. Which seems to mean that Trump's buddy's company is still making them, and we're still buying them.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:59 pm 
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I did see an amusing line earlier: may someone say your name the way Trump says the name of a fortune 500 company. But that said...

The first Federal order for PPE was March 12 and it was fairly trivial. The first large one was March 21, but it doesn't specify delivery until the end of April. Both were normal commercial orders, too; the Defense Procurement Act (DPA) was never invoked. This may go some way towards explaining why the Feds are seizing other people's medical equipment and pretending the national stockpile is for Federal use only: they're so far behind it's the only way they can try to get enough stuff to give the Red States who were equally stupid. No wonder the Trump chumps are desperately saying 'let's not blame anyone'; he and they are nose deep in fault and sinking fast.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
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So Trump's boys are buying PPE in China with public dollars, flying them into the US, then turning it all over to private companies to sell to the states. That article lists five, all of whom have gotten anti-trust waivers to be involved in this. There may be others. This may be where the equipment they're seizing in transit from other people is going too; money gouged from Red states spends just as well.

Oh, and Trump owns shares in a French company that makes hydroxychloroquine. Shocking, isn't it?

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So Trump's pet temporary Navy Secretary who fired the ship captain for sending an SOS email to 20 people which got leaked went and made a grossly insulting speech to that ship's 3,000 sailors over their PA system, which got recorded and leaked.

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson's in hospital, and while I don't wish for him to actually die, he is suffering the direct consequences of his own stupidity.

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 Post subject: Re: The Virus
 Post Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:21 pm 
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This is your petard...

That said, the website for governors in this country now includes links to several Covid equipment companies founded by professional Republicans in the last couple of months. They have connections, don't you see.

Also, Trump fired the Inspector General who was supposed to oversee the 2 trillion dollar bill he signed a couple of weeks ago (and has failed horribly to implement). He's been replaced with the acting (unapproved) IG of the EPA...the agency that just rolled back mileage standards. This was the day after he accused the IG that authored the study on massive shortages of PPE nationwide of being an Obama plant. It's still nothing but a PR problem and an opportunity to steal to him and most of his party. Pity about the suckers in the cheap seats, but oh well.

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