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 Post subject: And the Kusaris are...
 Post Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:12 am 
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So, since people take the spec seriously that the cut to the face will reveal Kusaris identity:
Who do you think she is?

I think the best piece of information was given in this strip.

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Is it too much to hope she's Cryokinetic? Sub-Zero to Oasis' Scorpion?

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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So, since people take the spec seriously that the cut to the face will reveal Kusaris identity:
Who do you think she is?

I think the best piece of information was given in this strip.



I think it's Crabtree. That'd be out of left field, but it makes a lot of sense. A completely controllable, programmable assassin that could easily be rebuilt since she's basically a computer program.

Not to mention the potential Kusari/DoR connection. The AI that tried to take over 4U City called itself the Lynx. Kusari means "chain" in Japanese. Chain, Lynx, Links. Maybe the Lynx was the final DoR version of Crabtree?

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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In today's panel six, there is something weird about her face. I want to believe it is not just a bad attempt at making highlight and shadow.
The markings look like a moon.
Reminding me of the-sun-and-the-moon twins - and Bun-bun. :bunbun:

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:19 am 
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Kesandru wrote:
The AI that tried to take over 4U City called itself the Lynx.

Could you reference that? I've just read through the relevant part of 4U City red and found no mention of that name.

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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TCCPhreak wrote:
Kesandru wrote:
The AI that tried to take over 4U City called itself the Lynx.

Could you reference that? I've just read through the relevant part of 4U City red and found no mention of that name.

Regards,

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Courtesy of NiftySearch (thanks, DaveRhodes):
http://www.sluggy.info/pick/?date=110914

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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migB wrote:
In today's panel six, there is something weird about her face. I want to believe it is not just a bad attempt at making highlight and shadow.
The markings look like a moon.
Reminding me of the-sun-and-the-moon twins - and Bun-bun. :bunbun:


She might just blacken her eyes for effect, could be makeup. Along with a lot of blood, although no outward signs of pain slowing her down all that much. Even Urja there is significantly hurt and actually showing it ("wobble" in panel 1) but Kusari, not so much.

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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is a good read for Kusari spec, though outdated.

I'm particularly interested by "Maybe i spoke too soon when I called you human..." : http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20160217

What we KNOW about Kusari:

She seems to have red glowing eyes (one of many examples): http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20010304
and she often displays jealousy or at least contempt about the Oasis Project. She has mentioned to Schlock that she was made in her image and improvedhttp://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20081204.

This last link is interesting on several levels. It hints that she considers herself roped in like Riff Torg and Zoe. That whatever is under her mask she should be ashamed of (the "my bad"). I assume this means he knows what is under that mask as in who she is and she should be ashamed because like the others she was roped into this, but the fact she should be ashamed means perhaps, she was given a choice?

She also asks Schlock to make her job easier and leave them out of this: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20081210

We know she eats, or at least the first Kusari eats: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20010305

Also this is at least the second Kusari: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20020213

We don't know how the replacement Kusari system works. Whether they take a victim or volunteer (perhaps that's why she should be ashamed?) and transform them somehow or if there are tons of Kusari clones underground. We DO know she takes significantly longer to come back than Oasis.

Here she is still missing: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20020609 4 months later and isn't seen again until August: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20020824

I'm just saying this HAPPENS to be 2 days after Sasha leaves finding a new job: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20020822 Which is the main reason why I was on the Sasha=Kusari train until Kusari was seen being at Hereti Corp while Sasha was captured by Monicruel at the same time.

I also found the differences between Kusari and Oasis interesting. Oasis works outside of the web, but Kusari has never been mentioned to. Oasis has stated (I can't find the link) that she doesn't know how to hurt people, only kill them. Kusari however, does know how to hurt and not kill: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20090309

Its stated in this comic that unauthorized life outside of the fate-web makes a tangle: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20130925. We can assume Oasis was not given life from the spark itself, but is unauthorized. Kusari is authorized but clearly more than human. I suppose she could be one of Dunuloa's synthetics but i'm not sure then, why, Schlock would expect her to be ashamed.

We also know Kusari has incredible healing speed: kusari hurt: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20090311

better later that day-http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20090317

and that she takes direct orders only from the CEO of Hertei Corp him/herself and no others orders can alter them. She seems to have to obey: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20110204

We know while Sasha was subdued by Monicruel Kusari was not up to her best: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20120312 & http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20120314

It's also worth noting Schlock (reasonably) has been hostile towards Kusari (one example of many: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20130131) since Chen gained control of her briefly and slaughtered half of the board.

We know Kusari can take off at least her mask, and by this comic we can assume take off the whole outfit: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20120629

(I've seen spec that she was perhaps a vampire and the outfit shielded her from the sun. The glowing red eyes would support vampire theory).

Probably not important but Kusari knows enough about Bun-Bun to run: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20120706

Kusari remembers things from her 1st "reincarnation?"- http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20120704

"Torg it has been awhile". Too my knowledge Kusari has not seen Torg since Le Snootier. http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20010224

Also worth noting, she came in knowing Torg's name. EIther provided by Sasha or Riff's notes I suppose.

We also know Kusari over all lacks some "human" qualities. She's not good with symbolism:
http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20070928

She misunderstands: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20110208

And has learned sarcasm: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20120410

Speculation:

I've seen a lot of spec for Kusari. That she's Valarie, that she's Gwynn, that she's Sasha,that she's a badly burned Zoe from an alternate dimension, that she's crystal, but I had never considered that she could be Dr. Crabtree. That's totally out of left field, but could make a lot of sense. (why she should be ashamed). What gets me is the "make my job easier and leave them out of this". Almost like Kusari cares for the gang. Or maybe its that its her job to protect Schlock and she feels they will kill him.

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I've always been one for the Sasha=Kusari theory. I find it interesting that Kusari's work wasn't up to par during the time Sasha was drugged and how fast Sasha went from drugged to able to defend herself and nearly head shot Riff:
http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20120817 & http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20120820

Also not many people knew exactly what the schlock triangle exactly entailed, including Gennaro who was on the board: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20110124

but Sasha knew Schnock's plan to have Oasis kill Riff BEFORE Riff's funeral: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20130108. We know for sure Kusari also knew the exact details of the schlock triangle. I cant prove they're the same person because well they've been seen together in the past with the 1st Kusari and they've been seen at the same time on opposite ends of the earth with Kusari #2.

I've seen some spec that Kusari functions as a hive mind, or that there are many Kusaris and Sasha is the hive queen. Thus while Sasha is drugged and lethargic, "Kusari" Isn't doing as well on her responsibilities. It also could explain HOW Sasha knew Torg was carrying Hertei-Corp's data if the two are somehow linked/ a hive mind.

Sasha also recovers fairly quickly such as when she was shot and sam drank her blood: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20100820 & http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20100824

Torg is dizzy from lack of air on shankraft island but Sasha is not: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20091204

and Kusari and Sasha being linked is the only reason I can think that Kusari would ask Schlock to leave them out of this AND consider herself roped in.

I propose Sasha did not work for Hertei-Corp until after she was injured here: http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20020714.

I find the timing of Sasha leaving for a new job and Kusari appearing for the first time in 6 months after beheading more than a coincidence. Perhaps she did work for Hertei Corp but was promoted/became Kusari. Perhaps to save her life? She was badly injured? Whatever the case she considers herself like "those kids roped into all of this" and Schlock expects her to be ashamed. I believe whoever Kusari is, she chose to be Kusari the new one, the replacement, and is someone we know.

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
 Post Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:42 pm 
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I also found the differences between Kusari and Oasis interesting. Oasis works outside of the web, but Kusari has never been mentioned to.

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I find the timing of Sasha leaving for a new job and Kusari appearing for the first time in 6 months after beheading more than a coincidence. Perhaps she did work for Hertei Corp but was promoted/became Kusari. Perhaps to save her life? She was badly injured? Whatever the case she considers herself like "those kids roped into all of this" and Schlock expects her to be ashamed. I believe whoever Kusari is, she chose to be Kusari the new one, the replacement, and is someone we know.

These two ideas fit together quite nicely. Schlock has stated that the differences between Oasis and Kusari are paramount. If Oasis represents truly unauthorized life and Kusari does not, then the idea of Kusari being an "imprint" of Oasis onto a volunteer host body (created in Oasis' image) works pretty well. The two could be virtually identical but Kusari would be limited in that, since she was imprinted onto sanctioned life, she could not truly alter fate or the fate web, while Oasis could. A paramount difference for sure. Sasha volunteering to be a replacement Kusari when she did could be explained by her having some advance knowledge of the fate the world is headed to if she doesn't help steer events a certain way. She may truly care for Torg, Riff, and the rest, but still know what has to be done to prevent the web from collapsing. This fits with both Kusari's sentiments that she should feel ashamed, as well as Sasha's visible signs of remorse in her brief conversation with Torg.

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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Mmmm, still don't buy Sasha as Kusari or even psychically linked. Too much of a reach.

There's plenty still unsaid about Sasha, but I still think she's human. There's not really a lot of evidence of superhuman abilities and her apparent possession of more situational knowledge than she should have had as a prisoner of Monicruel is adequately explained by BunBun. 'She had help'.

She would hardly have failed to let HC know Torg had sent her to infiltrate Crushestro's facility and that was also a prime goal of HC. It wouldn't really be a big surprise if they had other operatives inside who could help her sham drugged incapacity and keep her informed. Makes a lot more sense than these wacky theories,

I don't think Kusari can be Crabtree either because the Nanite Queen was totally nuked by Aylee's potato induced EMP burst back during the 'Baywatch tapes' saga.

I do however think nanites may well be involved in her recuperative abilities. 4U's Harbinger certainly seemed to be a synthesis of Oasis and Kusari and had extreme recuperative abilities. Perhaps the imperfect memory after severe trauma is snapshot related, as with the 4U denizins who were reset by their nanites.

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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I don't think Kusari can be Crabtree either because the Nanite Queen was totally nuked by Aylee's potato induced EMP burst back during the 'Baywatch tapes' saga.


Was she, though? Yes, I know, I read the strips too. But things happen off-panel a lot - this particular chapter is chock full of such things. And we know hC loves to abuse tech. The biggest potential downside of the Crabtree theory is that the timeline might not work, and I don't mean Kusari's first appearance in the strip, but rather when exactly hC "made" Kusari in the first place - which is still something we don't know. The best guess is sometime between Dr. Steve stealing the Oasis project, and Kusari's first appearance, which could be a big stretch of time.

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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Kesandru wrote:
erewhon wrote:
I don't think Kusari can be Crabtree either because the Nanite Queen was totally nuked by Aylee's potato induced EMP burst back during the 'Baywatch tapes' saga.


Was she, though? Yes, I know, I read the strips too. But things happen off-panel a lot - this particular chapter is chock full of such things. And we know hC loves to abuse tech. The biggest potential downside of the Crabtree theory is that the timeline might not work, and I don't mean Kusari's first appearance in the strip, but rather when exactly hC "made" Kusari in the first place - which is still something we don't know. The best guess is sometime between Dr. Steve stealing the Oasis project, and Kusari's first appearance, which could be a big stretch of time.


Well 'Made' can be a bit abmiguous too. "Made over", "Created", "Cloned", "Modified"... knowing Pete there is more to it than the obvious

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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I'll just say she's a demon-robot hybrid. I don't tend to get overly detailed in my fan theories :)

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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I'll just say she's a demon-robot hybrid. I don't tend to get overly detailed in my fan theories :)



Heh, some speccers have suggested that Kusari is our dimension's Mosp.

erewhon wrote:

I do however think nanites may well be involved in her recuperative abilities. 4U's Harbinger certainly seemed to be a synthesis of Oasis and Kusari and had extreme recuperative abilities. Perhaps the imperfect memory after severe trauma is snapshot related, as with the 4U denizens who were reset by their nanites.


Nanites would explain Kusari's regenerative abilities. Also why when Kusari dies, it takes so long to get a replacement one. Either the nanites have to work over time to revive her or they literally have to get a new one/person. I'm going to assume the nanites can't revive the dead and they probably aren't as strong as 4U city's nanites, yet. So we can probably assume Kusari 1 did infact die and it took 6 months to replace her. The new Kusari however does seem to have the old one's memories. (Torg it's been awhile). Or has been told them. I find the word 'replacement' Kusari interesting.

Harbinger is an interesting one. During 4U City I was jumping up and down screaming that she was Kusari. She has similar weapons, and works for the remains of Hereti Corp/4U city. Some speccer out there once suggested Kusari is the reanimated corpse(s) of dead Oasis's and that's why she wears her outfit to hide the disfigurement, and also why it takes so long to get a new one, they need to find a decent Oasis corpse. That spec creeps me out and I choose not to believe it, but if Harbinger were 4U's Kusari, if she is/was disfigured in some way, the upgraded nanites may have 'healed' her thus no more outfit.

However, I believe Harbinger is Oasis and that in DOR Strom did not kill her and she remained in Hereti Corp's custody. My main reason to believe this is this comic. http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20130131 . Schlock tells Kusari her project will be ending soon. If they have Oasis in DOR I can only imagine since 4U city is on top of Dr. Steve's base that they were able to regain control of her and no longer needed Kusari.

If Harbinger is Oasis she is a much more controlled version of Oasis or has Kusari's version of programming as little emotion is shown and she was shown going into a stasis and needs to be 'released/activated and is controlled by the AI the Lynx. We know Kusari is controlled by an AI to an extent- or controlled by something. She can't seem to disobey the CEO. Than again we also know our Oasis is controlled by technology too. Dr. Steve controlled her through his watch.

Huh. Oasis doesn't seem to be aware that she is being controlled, that she was ordered to love Torg, she fully believes and feels it while Kusari is aware that she is being controlled. (I was briefly a tool for Chen, now I am back as a tool for you.) http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/20110208

Oasis believes her actions are her own http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/19991010. Kusari knows hers are not and shows very little emotion.

Oasis is a 'controlled mind' made human. http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/19991015, but we know she's not a robot. I'm going to assume the same is for Kusari in some ways. Thus her little emotion, not understanding symbolism, learning sarcasm. Yet Oasis is outside the web and Kusari is not...

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Schlock has stated that the differences between Oasis and Kusari are paramount. If Oasis represents truly unauthorized life and Kusari does not, then the idea of Kusari being an "imprint" of Oasis onto a volunteer host body (created in Oasis' image) works pretty well. The two could be virtually identical but Kusari would be limited in that, since she was imprinted onto sanctioned life, she could not truly alter fate or the fate web, while Oasis could. A paramount difference for sure. Sasha volunteering to be a replacement Kusari when she did could be explained by her having some advance knowledge of the fate the world is headed to if she doesn't help steer events a certain way. She may truly care for Torg, Riff, and the rest, but still know what has to be done to prevent the web from collapsing. This fits with both Kusari's sentiments that she should feel ashamed, as well as Sasha's visible signs of remorse in her brief conversation with Torg.


This! The 'imprint' of Oasis on a volunteer makes a lot of sense!

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 Post subject: Re: And Kusari is...
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Well, if it wasn't already there, we can definitely add "insanely massive pain threshold" to things we know about Kusari.

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