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 Post Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:31 pm 
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As in DoR though, Schlock doesn't want Riff fluxed. He wants him dead. Much like Oasis, albeit temporarily in her case.

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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:11 am 
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2. Riff saw an opportunity, and knowing that Schlock will aim for the Mark-24, put it on auto-pilot (or the like) and is now operating the Heavy DFA REA unit - watch out Condors...

2-a. The Mark-24 is on autopilot, but Oasis is hiding inside. Torg's plan is to get her fluxed in order to a) remove her without killing her (because that never sticks), and b) deny Schlock what he needs to complete his plans (which, even if he doesn't know about the "Schlock Triangle", clearly involve getting hands on Oasis).

ETA: wild spec based on the above - Oasis ends up in Timeless Space (with her adventures there to be determined later) and eventually becomes known to Calix' people as Clotho, weaver of fate (as in "Clotho Legacy") before escaping from Timeless Space in the past where she ends up as Sin'thea.

I'm betting Oasis is actually a rebirth of Sin'thea.

And yeah, I would guess Riff isn't actually inside that mech.

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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:56 am 
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It's hard to tell from that one panel, but yeah it's possible he's piloting it remotely.

So, the digbots escorting Torg don't have DFAs. That throws "Plan Flux" spec out the window. Oasis is with him, even though it being "Plan Fire" is off the table. It's not clear, but he appears to have a wrapped-up Chaz on his back even though Oasis is about to be the only innocent person within a five mile radius. Sure, he could give her a paper cut, but swords vs guns doesn't sound like the best odds. I can imagine some scenarios, but nothing's quite adding up for me yet.

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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:02 am 
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1) This is not our Torg - it's sacrificial pawn from another dimension. Torg's plan: lookalike will die, it will cause Oasis to go nuclear, and destroy everything, including herself and Hereti-corps.
2) Whole "taking down Hereti-Corps" was a red herring yet again: Torg will die, whole thing will be called off, and in next Arc Riff will make a deal with demon group to open gates of Hell in order to revive Torg, but plan will horribly backfire and universe will break. The end.

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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:58 am 
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I bet you none of that happens :P

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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:01 pm 
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It's not clear, but he appears to have a wrapped-up Chaz on his back even though Oasis is about to be the only innocent person within a five mile radius. Sure, he could give her a paper cut, but swords vs guns doesn't sound like the best odds. I can imagine some scenarios, but nothing's quite adding up for me yet.

Thanks for seconding the notion that Torg appears to have a wrapped-up Chaz with him.

The missile-SHODDIEs and Oasis can deal with armed hC guards, but what if Kusari shows up and Oasis is otherwise occupied? Torg alone is more capable then he used to be, but Torg with a powered-up Chaz? That might be a fight worth watching.

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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:35 pm 
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Hrmmm..... Is Kusari innocent? Maybe we'll find out.

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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:05 pm 
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Hrmmm..... Is Kusari innocent? Maybe we'll find out.

That, I doubt... but if Torg can power up Chaz (with a bit of Oasis' blood) and take out Kusari, that would be amazing to see.

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 Post Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:59 pm 
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I'll put this here though it most likely not going to happen. Torg is going to end up "killing" Oasis with Chaz, or with something else.

He's using Oassi as bait to lure hC forces to him, but he doesn't want hC to capture Oasis, so he will unwittingly do what hC wants.

Also, I highly doubt the Riff is in his mech.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:02 pm 
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There's a good chance Chaz could end Oasis permanently. That's not what hC wants. Even the possibility of it, if it's something they can't discount, would mean they would want to avoid it. In other words, if Torg is planning on threatening to kill Oasis with Chaz, he may effectively have a viable hostage. Maybe he just makes Oasis bleed and lets Chaz explain the situation to them. That could be pretty convincing.

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 Post Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:23 pm 
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Lord Golbez wrote:
There's a good chance Chaz could end Oasis permanently.

I agree. That's why I don't think that it's going to happen - yet. If Oasis dies permanently - now - we will never know Oasis' story. Pete is evil - but I don't think he's that evil...

What I find curious here is that everything that Torg has done so far is to shut hC down as a viable "business". If he's planning on destroying hC headquarters anyway, why would he have bothered with the first half of the plan? If he's planning on destroying hC headquarters - no matter how much faith he places in Oasis - why would he have only 4 backup shoddie suits?

Predictions - in bits, because I think some may come true, and others will be way off base... Note that there are a lot of gaps between the bits.......
  • Riff survived the crash/explosion of the Mark-24
  • Torg is not planning a direct assault (or not much of one) on hC
  • Oasis will die - not by Chaz
  • Sin'thea will be at the rebirth facility (possibly with Teresa)
  • Steve Hereti is still alive, and will also be there.
  • Chen will betray Schlock
  • Plan F = Plan "Flush" (as in "Flush" hC's business down the toilet (gotta get that toilet humor in there), but also in "flush" someone or something out.
  • Sasha is still alive or reduplicated
  • Sasha is/was part of the demon cult
  • The end of hC releases the 'controlled' mind of Kusari (possibly also Sasha)
  • We will get to hear one last "DOMF"
     Torg's plan is to end hC, but not by direct assault... Kusari? Is that Torg's 'end game'? Or does he actually think that he can flush Schlock out?
     If we get to see Kusari post-hC, can she function independently - or does she have to be a controlled mind?

Edit: Well, I got #1 right - although I wasn't the first to say it, and it was a little too obvious to claim credit for it anyway... So let's see how I do on the more outrageous spec... I'm really, really hoping that I'm right on the last one. Although letting the bunny have his way with him may also be satisfying... (we could have both :-))

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 Post Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:00 am 
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For whatever it's worth, I don't think Chaz can end Oasis permanently unless the rebirth system has magic involved.

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 Post Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:02 am 
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I think the Oasis rebirth system has magic involved.

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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:00 am 
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Thursday: non plot moving forward prep / filler

Friday: Torg and Oasis stopped just short of sniper range, looks at Oasis and says sorry as he draws Chaz; stabbs Oasis. Last pannel Torg charges HC.

Cliffhanger of the millennium.

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 Post Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:48 pm 
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I don't think we're just going to have Oasis dying like that (not permanently) before we get any answers. Yeah, we could still get answers afterward, but it would be kind of lame exposition. That's why I favor the idea that Torg will hold Oasis hostage with Chaz.

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